r-IlNUTES 
Of The Heeting 
Of 
THE ACADEHIC AFFAIRS COHMITTEE 
Tuesday, April 15, 1980 

3:00-4:30 p.m. 

Room 215 Engineering Science 

Present: 	 Dr. Baldino Dr. Y.ougl 

Dr. Hahn Dr. Hunro 

Dr. Hill Dr. Richley 

Dr. Hovey Dr. Scriven 

Dr. Khawaja 

ACTIONS 
1. 	 The chairman called the meeting to order. Ile advised members that 
two guests, Dr. Dodge and ~r. Smolen, would be arriving later during 
the meeting to discuss the Business Administration program proposal. 
2. 	 Dr. Hil l asked for the committee's reaction to the minutes. Dr. 
Baldino moved acceptance, and Dr. Hahn seconded. The minutes were 
approved unanimously. 
3. 	 Dr. Hill asked Dr. Scriven if he had been able to put together the 
information requested by the committee about the honors students 
and if so to please present it at this time. 
Dr. Scriven began by saying that if anything is changed--even 
number one-- it will take 16 hours of computer programming to change 
the selection criteria. He said that for the honors program as it 
is now constructed, the total population potential is 12,900; if 
we were to include Fall and Winter, the population from which 
honors students would be selected would be approximately 15,200; 
and if all four quarters were included, the population would be 
a little over 19,000. 
Two members each expressed that they had been thinking rather of 
using the Fall Quarter again to get the percentage but selecting 
the students from all four quarters. 
Dr. Scriven said that if we ask to include students in the other 
quarters, that would be an additional 24 programming man hours, 
or a total of 40 programming man hours to bring students out of 
the other quarters plus change the selection criteria. He said 
that 40 man hours would be about two weeks. 
A member said that if it is important to do it, then it should be 
done. 
Another member questioned whether it is really worth the hours. 
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A Ill~rnb('r ;t~;ked approximately 1ItJ'.'; m;my peuple Lire being excluued. 
Dr. 	 Scriven said it is about 1,500. 
A member said that it is bound tu come out that there will be 
straight 4.0 students, and he is bothered by that if four quarters 
are used. 
Another member said that it seems that this committee or someone 
needs to address the problem of what i::; trying to be accomplished 
with this program. It is supposedly that of making a distinction 
between honor students and the others, he said. He said that we 
are trying to make a distinction that does not exist. 
A member said that to argue the idealism of a point like this is 
to deny some form of recognition for people who have done a tremen 
dous task. He said that it doesn't matter whether we make it 1.1, 
1.2, or 8.6 as long as we maintain something and keep it on a 
percentage basis, which forces students within a school to compete 
with students within the school. 
A member said that it seems more meaningful to give this recognition 
at gradua~ion; she said graduation covers all those who are missed. 
She questioned the need for an Honors Day; she wondered if we should 
consider doing away with i~.
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He said that he believes that the question about whether to give 
a high point average honor is separate from who can be included. 
Another member said that it should be arbitrary to the point that 
it discriminates against the least number of students. 
At this time, the chairman asked the committee members if they 
would like to break the discussion at this point and invite the 
guests in to discuss the Business Administration proposal. The 
members agreed. 
4. 	 Dr. Dodge and Dr. Smolen were invited into the meeting. Dr. Hill 
asked Dr. Smolen to begin by explaining about the proposal. 
Dr. Smolen said that the purpose is to through a revolutionary 
process, have their undergraduate program more in alignment with the 
AACSB guidelines so that when they have their formal inspection by 
that body, they will have no problems with course spacing, course 
sequencing, and course numbering. 
Dr. Smolen said that the proposal was bro~ght before the Under 
graduate School of Business Curriculum Committee; and after lengthy 
discussion, it passed virtually unanimously. 
Dr. 	 Hill then asked Dr. Dodge if he had any additional information 
that he would like to present. 
Dean Dodge said that AACSB guidelines recommend that they have 
at least 40 percent of their hours in business and no more than 
60 percent. He said that at the present time they are standing very 
close to the 60 percent; sometimes it goes over because policing 
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of the electives that stuoenLs take is not very gooo. He said 
that that is one of the reasons why 511 has been eliminated. He 
also said that they are seriously thinking about the business 
ethics course being taught by Philosophy. 
A member asked if 511 would count as an elective if they want to 
take it. Dr. Dodge said, yes. 
A member asked if these changes complete all changes necessary for 
approval by AACSB. Dr. Dodge said that is their impression. 
A member said that he sees a real policing problem. He said that 
since upperclassmen do not have to get advisor signatures, they 
could sign up for these upper level core courses without the qual 
ifications. 
A member suggested having a formal procedure whereby a student 
completing a certain set of hours makes application, at which 
time this is checked. 
Dr. Dod~e said that is what they are in the process of doing. 
A member expressed concern about those students from other schools 
in the University who will_take those courses. 
Dr. Dodge said that departments would have to tell him approximately 
how many students will be taking the course each quarter. The 
member said that would be very difficult. 
The member was concerned about students having to go through more 
trouble to get into a class. 
A member said that he has no objection to the School of Business 
making their rules and regulations more strict or improving their 
standards except that as it affects other areas of the University. 
Another member said that any tim2 you change a course, it has an 
effect. He said that since this is an expertise area, Business 
should be the ones suggesting changes. 
A member said that he agrees that the fundamentals of autonomy 
with respect to Business has to li~ there and nowhere else. He 
a~so said that he would suggest that a way to approach the dilemma 
of students wishing to take those courses being in competition with 
majors would be to have parallel sections that would be major sections 
and sections (or non-majors. He said this would temporarily take 
ca re of that problem until one can create courses o( another kind. 
He said that he does not think the program should be held back 
until the courses are in place. 
A member asked if they plan for this to go to the next Senate 
meeting; he asked if they want to llave this in place by Fall Quarter. 
They said that they would like to have it in place as soon as 
possible. 
A member said that he still has a problem with the requirement of 
a permit for 725. He asked if there is any other way that they 
can monitor it. 
A member asked if their majur reason for permits is for sequencing. 
Dr. Dodge said, no, that it is to be sure that they take the right 
courses. 
A member referred to the last note on the bottom of the second 
page. He said he does not immediately conceptualize the reason for 
the elective course statement. 
Dr. Smolen said that it is a problem of semantics. A member sug 
gested phrasing it as "elective course in that major area." It 
was agreed upon. 
There was discussion of several other problems in semantics in that 
note. Suggestions were made and accepted by the two guests. 
5. 	 The chairman asked at this time if the committee should adj ourn. 
He said that it seems to be the view of the committee that there needs to 
be more time for discussion before taking action. 
Dr. Richley motioned adjournment, and Dr. Munro seconded. The 
motion was voted upon. Dr. Hovey opposed, and Dr. J(.ha\.;aja abstained. 
The meeting was adjourned.