"!I NUTI':S 
Of The Meeting 

Of 

THE ACADEHIC AFFAIRS COHMlTTEE 

Tuesday, April 29, 1980 
3:00-4:30 p.m. 
Room 215 Engineering Scjence 
Present: Dr. Baldino Dr. Hunro 
Dr. Hahn Dr. Kougl 
Dr. Hill Dr. Richley 
Dr. Khawaja 
ACTIONS 
1. 	 The chairman called the meeting to order. He asked for the com 
mittee's consideration of the minutes. 
There were no amendments suggested. Dr. Hunro moved approval, and 
Dr. Khawaja seconded. The vote was taken; the minutes were approved 
unanimously. 
2. 	 The chainnan asked if members would like to discuss somewhat the 
Business Administration proposal before the guests would arrive. 
During the preliminary discussion, there were questions raLsed rela 
tive to such concerns as the use of the words "tool" and "core", 
parallelism of the second note, and definition of the business student. 
Dr. 	 Hill said tha t due to there having been expressed by someone that 
discussion involving four guests may lead to confusion, he is propos 
ing 	that the meeting be conducted in a specific manner. He said 
that he is proposing that two guests from Business be asked to make 
opening remarks, then Hrs. Phillips and Dean Paraska be permitted 
to respond. General questions and discussion would then follow, with 
each person requesting to be recognized. 
The 	chairman also suggested that when the guests are asked in, the 
committee deal with the concerns that they have and review the other 
issues afterwartls if there is time, without the guests present. 
A member suggeste d that the chairman inform tIle gllests that once the 
co~nittee has heard their side of the input, we will not be voting 
in their presence. 
Befg re inviting in the guests, a member wished to say one tIling fJr 
ther. He said that while a school that hClS the responsibility for 
a certain subject area is recognized as an expert and ought to have 
the responsibility for developing tha t, it is also recognized that 
along with that ri~ht goes the responsibility to be sensitive to 
other areas that might be utilizing those courses as service courses. 
The member said that when the proposal W.J.S discussed two weeks ago 
and 	it was asked if other students will be affected, the reply was, 
"Yes, about six hundred." Since that time, he said, he had asked if 
arrangements were being made .J.nd s~eps being taken to service this 
other group and thought he got the understanding that visits would 
take place or steps take place so that people affected would have 
their needs met. Later, he said, he found out that that is not the 
case. 
3. 	 The guests were invited in at this time. They were Drs. Dodge and 
Smolen from Business and Dean Paraska and Mrs. Phillips from C.A.S.T. 
The chairman informed the guests of the agreed upon procedures for 
conducting the meeting. Dr. Hill asked Dr. Smolen to make opening 
remarks. 
Dr. Smolen's remarks were a reiteration of his Lntroduction of the 
proposal when he was present for the meeting two weeks ago. In 
addition, he said that in an effort to satisfy objections received, 
a revised proposal (dated April 24) has been prepared. He referred 
to the last footnote on the bottom of the page, the revised statement: 
"Each student enrolled in the baccalaureate program in the School of 
Business .... " He said that they key to that all the way through it 
so that it would not apply to any other student. 
Dean Dodge was asked if he would care to speak at this time. He 
wished not to add anything further. 
The 	floor was then given to Virginia Phillips. She distributed a 
written statement. 
A member asked her to capsulize the statement. She said that it is 
not \.Jished to impede the work of the Business School, but it cannot 
be ignored that the proposal creates prohlems for the B.E.T. Depart 
ment, the School, and the University. She said that all majors will 
be affected in some way, and even the four-year program will be 
affected. 
\-nlen asked by the chairman if she would like to say anything other 
than what is written on the statement, Mrs. Phillips responded by 
saying that she has already had two students report that they were 
denied entrance into these classes for the Summer Quarter. 
Dr. Hill asked if there is a problem with lower-division courses. 
Mrs. Phillips said that the problems will be with tile upper-division 
courses. 
She said that it might be a valid assumption that whoever is teach 
ing the course will assume that students have tile tool-course require 
ments and will teach the course accordingly. She said that this will 
create a serious disadvantage for the B.E.T. student who takes that 
course. 
Mrs. Phillips said that every curriculum will have to undergo sig 
nificant revision in terms of the courses the students can take, the 
sequence in which they have to take them, and prerequisite courses 
that would have to be added. 
Vlrl~illia Ph Ulips ~;aId that t l it.' c:oll~;e<[lll'nce w11 l be to dUllY ;lCC(~SS 
o[ these courses to B. E. T. students. She said tlta t the F.J.ct that 
they lwve already beell denied clccess to i-lktg. 70] seems to Indicate 
that this is indeed the intencled outcome. 
A member asked if there are enough students that they could have 
separate classes. If there are multiple sections now, he wondered 
why that would require additional teachers. 
Dean Paraska responded to the question; he said that there would be 
less efficient use of human resources because there would be fewer 
students in each class. 
Hrs. Phillips was asked if she had anything further to say. She 
said that one of the advertising points that the University uses is 
the Two Plus Two, completing a two-year degree .J.nd immediately going 
on to a four-year degree. She said that this would be eliminated or 
at least certainly revised considerably, and additional courses would 
be added to the curriculum. 
She said that there are many part-time students that will not get 
through the program on schedule unless they are starting in 81/82 
or this Fall Quarter. She said that there should be some provisions 
spelled out for long-range accommodations for these students so that 
they are not trapped in a situation such as this. 
Dr. Hill asked about the conference that had supposedly taken place. 
Dean Paraska responded by saying that they are trying to develop 
some real vnlid numbers to show how many two-year students have been 
taking the various courses Fall, Hinter, and Spr Lng. He said tha t 
the computer is not programmed [or that, so they are going to do it 
manually. He said that this will be a big job. He said there are 
36 courses involved. 
Dr. Paraska said that the outcome of their discussion was a recogni 
tion that as the School of Business does move towards accreditation; 
there will have to be new courses structured that \.;i1l have to he 
offered. The exact impact faculty~wise cannot be determined until 
it is determined what the increase in student credit hours will be, 
he said. 
The chairman proposed that at this time the specific concerns that 
affect B.E.T. be discussed one at a time. (bottom of first page of 
written statement) 
In responding to the first concern, Dr. Smolen said th.J.t he is not 
exactly sur~ what is being referred to there; he said th;lt he would 
take her word for it. 
Dr. Smolen defended his position by saying tIl[] t the proposed course 
sequencing is in accordance with page 48 of the catalog. He said 
that that is not the issue, however. He said that the issue is 
whether the School of Business curriculum meets guidelines to achieve 
accreditation, which has been mandated by top administration. He 
said that they have indicated that as a professional school of busi 
ness, they be allowed to in some way manage or limit enrollment in 
order to achieve this goal. 
Mrs. Phillips said that it was ~greed upon inforlmlly that the two 
year students not be held to tile junior sta nding requirement in the 
catalog. She said that it is fine if they want to change this, but 
they must gi'.re the students already enrolled a chance to get through 
the program. 
Mrs. Phillips then said that though they are developing courses for 
C.A.S.T. students, they are doing it \.Jithout any consultation with 
he rself or anyone else on the staff; \·Iithout consultation Hith the 
Advisory Committee; and they are being offered without consultation 
with herself as to Hhether they are most appropriate for the students 
or as they concern teachers. 
A member asked, if this is indeed true, would there be an accommo 
dation. Dr. Smolen said that they would certainly try to accommodate, 
but that they have certain deadlines that they have to me e t. (It 
was established that the deadline would be roughly March 1, 1981.) 
A member asked if the Business representatives would e laborate on 
the matter of their setting up sections for Fall of 1980. He asked 
if it is true that they are setting up sections for Business Edu 
cation students and for Business Administration students. 
One of the guests replied that they have three sections: morning, 
afternoon, and evening. This was an effort to accommodate C.A.S.T. 
They \.Jere going to give C.A.S.T. the control of it, but the y do not 
s e em to \.Jant it, he said. B.E.T. says it is segregation and objects 
to it, h e explained. 
Dean Dodge said that B.E.T. students are not denied access anywhere 
on the proposal. 
A member asked if B.E.T. students can enter the courses as sophomores 
outside the requirements of the School of Business Administration. 
Dean Dodge r e plied, yes. Mrs. Phillips then said that if tha t state 
ment were on the proposal in \.Jriting, she might be a little more 
comfortable with it. 
A member asked if there was any possibility that whatever needs to 
be done betwee n the two schools could get cleared up so t hat by 
March 1, 1981, Mrs. Phillip's concerns and \.Jhatever ne\.J courses have 
to be developed could simutaneously meet the catalog deadline of 
Barch 1, 1981; so that in the Fall of 1981, no t only would her stu 
dents be able to see what the B.E.T. program is, but also the 
accounting students could see what the new versions are for them, 
with proper phasing out of thos e that were c;lusing the problems. 
Mrs. Phillips said that even if she continues to get the infonnation 
she has been getting, and even if she gets information on a timely 
basis, it would involve 11 curriculums; and that would take a con 
siderable amount of time and work. 
~Irs. Phillips said that she is no t obj ec ting to the change if it can 
be administratively handled and does not cause hardships for the 
students. She said they should not, however, cover things up. 
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Dr. 	Dudge said that he does nut feel that they silu\Jld have to give 
up their program for them. lIe said that before he would go back 
and 	start over, he would take it to Administration. 
4. 	 The chairman asked if there was any further discussion. There wa s 
non~. The guests left the room. 
Dr. Hill said that as he sees it, t1rs . Phillips does not obj ec t to 
the proposal; she is conc e rned about the mechanics of it related 
to student schedules. 
There was further discussion. 
The chairman at this time proposed putting the item on the agenda 
for next week's meeting and discussing it further then. 
5. 	 Dr. Munro motioned for adjournment, and Dr. Khawaja seconded the 
motion. The meeting was adjourned. 
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